Frameset and evil

Are framesets still evil if it's possible to:
- bookmark and print specific pages of a frameset;
- have the URL of any specific page of a frameset on the screen;
- have the subitems of a menu (of any layer, for that matter) ACROSS the frames of a frameset (not just on top of the main frame)?

I'm not sure. Anyhow, the things mentioned above are not impossible, as shown by:
http://www.let.rug.nl/~molendyk/twinhelix_cascade_across_frames.

Note  that the technique applied there can also be applied to the Freestyle Menu (not at all designed for framesets), see, for instance:
http://www.molendijk.tk.

Arie  Molendijk.

As for PDAs, screen readers, etc. etc. etc., I totally agree.

As for the trouble: no; once you know how to do it, it's easy.

A couple of small advantages of what's shown at the link given in my earlier post ('cascade_across_frames'):
- you  can have external files in the main frame (like the Google site) and still have a menu that functions properly (Item 1_4_4);
- there is no flicker at page transition, even if the menu is very heavy;
- you don't have to repeat the same thing (the include) at every single page.

But I agree that those advantages are not enormous.

Arie M.